I've heard the correct way to install a new headliner in a Hornet requires the removal of the front and rear windshields. Apparently the headliner must be glued to the inner window channel(s) followed by installing the rubber window seals. Is this true?
I'd prefer to avoid removing these windows since removal introduces risk of glass and paint damage plus probably triggers the need to buy expensive new rubber seals. Is there a good alternative technique or is the "correct way" sage wisdom?
Any experiences shared on this subject much appreciated.
Robert, describe "expensive" The frt. windshield/s are not required to be removed,just the window garnish moldings, and if you are really, really good, and the rear window gasket is still very pliable, you can possibly install the headliner without removing the rear glass. You could make some custom wood pieces, install those and then staple the new headliner into place, make some custom wood pieces to cover the staples?
Hello Doug, Your right ---"expensive"--- is a relative term and most short- cuts eventually become much more expensive (especially when loss of time is factored in). I didn't realize the front windshield can stay in place. Well that's half the battle...Wooden moldings are are interesting thought for the rear. But the curves and contours are way beyound my woodpecker skills (limited to drilling holes). Maybe best I bite the bullet and buy the rear window rubber. Do you sell them?
A very good idea to change those glass seals anyway. The originals will be hardened and shrunken by now. They will easily break. Doug sells them and they are not expensive.
Kerry ---That's what I'll do. Now I need to find someone in Northern CA who knows how to install a headliner in a Hornet.
Robert, we have been contemplating making a video of the headliner installation and posting it online. The only problem is that someone will complain, do it wrong, and somehow it will be our fault. It really isn't that difficult, but does require a few special parts be installed prior to the headliner,such as the windlace needs to be sewn onto the boards surrounding the door opening at the "B" pillars, installed in place before the h/liner. Also a very important thing is the location of the bows. Depending on the car and model, the bows are different lengths and shapes, and must be installed in the correct sequence, so if you remove them from their original position, mark them where removed from. These bows where marked from the factory with a color code, but most of the time the paint is gone. Another important factor is the bow grommets, which usually break from age when removing the bows. Also, as Kerry pointed out, especially the rear window gasket will be shrunk and cracked, needing replacement after 60 Plus years. We just did put together a video of the rear window gasket and back glass installation, but haven't posted it yet. Stay tuned, and thanks for your support.
Robert, any competent car upholsterer who's done a headliner could do yours, they don't have to be Hudson-proficient. Ask your local chapter members (or fellow AACA members if you're in that club) for recommendations on local upholsterers.
It's a tricky job but if you're careful and take your time, you can probably do it. The thing about the rear window is: if you manage to get the headliner in and there is any sort of leak in the rear window gasket, you will witness your beautiful new headliner get water-stained from leakage, the first time it rains. And that would be really painful!
Well, that was probably true before Jon, but we have a new procedure that seems to work well, with no leaks after completed correctly. It seems to make the installation easier too!
Doug ---You'd be doing all of us a huge favor by posting these videos. I'm afraid many of the guys who properly installed these windows and headliners are off zooming the universe light years ahead of us! I'd for one would really appreciate them. I'll be placing an order in the next day or two for the front & rear window gaskets. Thanks again, Robert
Jon ---The "water stained beautiful headliner from a first rain" rings sage wisdom! No need for me to travel that road too --thank you!
Doug, I can't wait!
